A selection of general topics for those working in the business events industry in Australia and abroad
8/06/2010 12:44:57 PM
Toruk Makto Special edition
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1/03/2010 6:31:36 AM
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Let me clarify my point of view.
I love Micenet magazine- when it comes in the post- I can't wait to rip open the plastic cover, and sit on my back verandah and read it (with a glass of pepsi and a cig) I read it from cover to cover, the portfolio's, the different states- all great stuff. The quality of the magazine presentation is the best there is- Glossy mag, lovely feel to the pages
I like The attention to detail of Event Connect- I love when you make an enquiry and if the business doesn't respond- they get sent a reminder fax automatically.- thats taking it to the next level which is what I love, The saw a problem and provided a solution
But then you have the forum, and from a branding point of view, you have two great services, but the third not so good, I am not sure if it weakens your position.
I am very passionate about the events industry, and The reason I sorry to say put down the forum is that:
1: I know the brains behind the micenet brand is capable of so much more and they have proven it with their other two services
2: Your the leader, so from our leaders we expect more
3: despite popular belief- I want this forum to succeed, I trully believe that a forum for the events industry is fantastic, and a place where anyone can share their ideas is great. Anything that improves communication in an industry is a good thing.
so how can micenet take this forum to the next level- as they have with their other two services?
Yes I am ticked off and probably bitter because 18000 are viewing it and not getting involved, why oh why? do you not have passion, do you not want the industry to improve, do you not want to share your knowledge even if you might be wrong, at the end of the day- who cares if your wrong, if we take a positive atttitude to our mistakes we can learn from them and improve.
I am a slow learner- but I am learning, and I am trying to improve my posts, but sometimes I get carried away and type type type.
frustrating to see the potential in something and not have it deliver. as for PCO' comments- instead of contantly having a go at me (and the bulk of your posts have been) - why not share your experiences and help our industry, help the forum grow, it is people like you that scares people off, because you can get away with putting people down without revealing yourself if you are a real PCO Please help your industry by sharing your knowledge of your expertise, you said you organised an event with 2 stage performers and 3 roving guys, instead of focusing on "I wouldn't hire you dave"- tell us about it- were there any problems, what were the highlights. how did you overcome some of the problems- this is what is going to grow the forum, not putting people down for revealing a truth with evidence.
does anyone other than PCO see where I am coming from? I don't sugar coat what I say, I don't suck up and I don't say things in the hope that you'll like me to hire me, I don't fear people having a go at me, I do fear anonymous people having a go at me because you just don't know who they are or if they are telling the truth.
so no I don't hate the forum, I love the idea and I want to see it grow and flourish, and I want to learn, and I want to be able to speak my mind without being shut down.
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28/02/2010 11:54:45 AM
Toruk Makto Special edition
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Getting back off topic
I have an offer for anyone willing:
It will not cost you a cent and it is free.
You may hate my opinion, but please do not confuse my ability to entertain with my opinion,
So I am offering the following:
If you have an event booked in the next month or so, where you have hired a Sydney based Roving Magician, I will work that event for free (I'll even pay for parking) along side them, and I guarantee that the audience will enjoy me more. and be amazed with what I do, mystefied by what I do and will be laughing harder.
Here are the coditions:
You must have another roving magician to compare me with (it must be a magician) and they must be based in Sydney
You must gather feedback from people and experience the magic yourself.
If after my very first performance you and the group I have performed for are unsatisfied- you can tell me to go home then and there
Whatever the results are from the challenge- you post the results here accurately
You do not have to provide me with Dinner or any food or beverages
I have public Liability to 20 Million, and can provide this to you if you want it.
It must be in Sydney (lets be fair I am not going to fork out money for flights to melbourne for a free show)
It must be a corporate event, not a 40th Birthday or wedding etc.
it's the 28th of Feb today, and you have 30 days (ISH)
It needs to fit in with my other bookings (iI will not cancel money in, for a free show)
There you go- a free show (and possible multiple free shows if multiple people want to book)
I know the micenet team will probably delete this post, but I am not actually selling anything, it is free no hidden costs at all- and I'll even include my free photography and all the photos on a branded website for easy sharing.
I put my money where my mouth is.
you don't have to post on this forum to book me, but you do afterwards to tell everyone the results - good or bad
edited by sydney_magician on 1/03/2010
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28/02/2010 10:29:41 AM
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Thank you TD
I Understand where you are coming from and I am taking it in. Thank you (and that is an honest thank you)
I am the kind of person who if I am going to say something negative (or positive) then I will have the courage to put my name next to it I think that it is fair (especially if it is going to be negative). I can understand why people would be upset if I posted what I say but anonymously because there is no way to see who posted it.
I can understand that people may become upset with my posts, but I would have hoped that people would say "wow I don't agree with his point of view, but at least he has the guts to stand by what he says and show us who is posting the point of view"
Most people who post on this forum anonymously have not said anything bad anyway, so why are they hiding? And if people are going to not book services because a difference of opinion, my feeling is they are not worth doing business with,I am not going to "suck up" to get work and I amno going to say things that I think you want to hear just to get work because everyone has their own opinion, there are people who I work for who I do not share opinion with, but at the end of the day the events they put on are great, and my shows are built for their event, where as there are companies who I share an opinion with, but hey are unethical so I do not work for them when they call
And I know that you disagree with me PCO- but there are some event organisers who are unethical in their approach to business (as in any industry)
as for PCO- I don't use false advertising, you can look at the website as proof - I don't hide who I am, so you can view it, there is also the "difference" button at the top. And when I say people are using false advertising, I back it up by putting up my website so that you can compare. I have even posted links to the actual award winners Of Australia as solid proof and you still have a go at me- what is wrong with you?
wouldn't I be sad- if I posted my views- but you didn't know who I was?, which was my point.
edited by sydney_magician on 1/03/2010
edited by sydney_magician on 1/03/2010
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27/02/2010 1:43:35 PM
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I find this fascinating too.
That you continue to attack, this site, the PCO's who are members and your fellow performers and then you wonder why you don't get much work? I'm amazed that Brad hasn't banned you.
Unlike TD I have never seen you perform, so I will take his word that you are competent, but I would never book you. Not worth the agravation.
In fact I booked a large Cirque styled show last month with two magic stage performers and some (3) roving preshow and asked them about you. Most politely tried to change the conversation. Do you want me to repeat what they said?
You state you hate dishonesty in other peoples websites and promotional material. But you seem to have a " if they do it I will do it too" attitude from what I hear. That your own website is full of dubious claims.
Anyway,as TD posted, every post you make here is a fascinating read, like a train wreck in slow mo.
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26/02/2010 1:25:42 PM
TD
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I've been viewing this form from time to time for a while and been watching your posts sydney_magician with some... 'facsination.' I would personally say that a forum where everyone is known to everyone else could potentially be quite damaging.
This is by no means an attack on you personally David, but I watch your posts and can't help but think, you are posting on a forum supposedly filled with people responsible for booking and organising events and yet I see you just damaging your own reputation. I think it's great that you take an interest and contribute, but your comments often appear to be quite bitter and take aim your competitors who I really can't see doing anything wrong and even mice.net, who host this forum and obviously publish a widely recognised magazine as well.
I have actually seen your magic first hand and in all honesty, I found it incredible. You did some tricks I have not seen done before and they were very entertaining. But I really think people would be put off using your services by the comments you make here, and because you are one of the few people who actually says who they are, everyone knows that it is you making these comments and if you perhaps say something that doesn't go down too well, then they will remember it was you that said it.
Me on the otherhand, I can post my thoughts and opinions that people may not agree with, but because I remain anonymous, it won't affect me outside of this forum.
Like I said David, this is not an attack on you personally, I don't know you, but it can sometimes be beneficial to hear such opinions.
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23/02/2010 12:59:30 PM
Toruk Makto Special edition
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I would say that Nike50 is a automated spammer, there are programs you can buy for about $35 that periodically send out articles, they normally send out 1 or 2 and if they get in- you get bombarded, and the guy who set it up is having a Pepsi somewhere else.
Forums are a place for back and forth communication, readership is one thing, but having people communicate themselves is far more important- Being on the web- is it possible to find out if the readership is Australian events industry or anyone?- my guess is that your IT dudes have no idea where the hits are coming from. unless they use google analytics- but I do not think this will give hit info on where they are from
By the way I have been contacted by a lady in the US who thanked me for putting up the Oil Rig Scam email- it is the only place on the web she could find it. which lead me to thinking that the hits are not Aussie events.
When I was learning magic, which is not an easy thing to learn considering you learn from reading books written in the 1940's with hand drawn pictures, I approached the elders with my latest trick to show them, after performing they shut me down, and told me all my mistakes, they told me it was not very good. at this point I could have stoped with magic, I could have bitten back or I could sit back and learn from their advice and change what I was doing. My feelings were hurt
I took the later option and grew as a performer and a person and as a result I am now consulting with the very same magicians and others to help improve their acts, there is a lesson there. Listen and take positive action
There is an old Confucius quote
If you expect the worst you can't be disappointed, I didn't have high expectations from an anonymous forum- I'll be sticking around with my 2 cents (someone has to post on this forum) plus you need someone with my different way of thinking, and my ability to tell you what I think - it's called feedback and advice. I find the Events Industry has trouble taking ownership of Fault, By owning it- it really is the way we improve.
I may not be 100% Happy with it- But I will stick with it, eventually you'll come around if the forum lasts and you make everyone reveal who they are and will come and join and post and communicate and it will be the forum everyone actually really wants it to be.
I may say negative things, but I believe in honesty (from my point of view) and I do not have fear in people finding out who I am after saying something negative. perhaps this is my brand, people may not like me- but when I speak 99% of the time I am speaking from the heart. from my experience this is rare
but I do understand from a media companies point of view that you don't want your readership do reveal who they are, you don't want potential competitors stealing your data lists, that's fear I suggest not letting fear guide your business.
anyway- I have some leads to follow-up on so I have to do some actual work for a change and not post here- But I'll be back
moohoohhahahaha
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23/02/2010 8:35:38 AM
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Thanks sydney_magician for your advice and comments. The majority of people in the business events sector are extremely busy, and hence, having the time to blog regularly is not something that they can do. We have seen a spike in comments from time to time when we have posted topics that are obviously of interest, and will continue to do this throughout 2010. If the levels of response are not there then we may review what we are doing at a later date.
Having said that, the number of people reading the blogs is considerably high. From a zero base less than six months ago we have had in excess of 18,000 unique views reading posts including yours. Forget that they are not making a comment at this stage, but they are aware of the site and are taking notice. And, I feel, if there is a topic of relevance to them, and they do have the time to make a comment, then they will do so in the future.
As for our friendly spammer, he has been contacted nicely. Obviously he has not taken the hint and our IT professional (yes, we have an IT professional at micespace.net) will be taking additional steps.
As for your comments generally, if you are unhappy with this blog then please feel free to go away - again - and find yourself another one. Best regards,
bfoster (adminstrator).
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22/02/2010 10:44:20 PM
Toruk Makto Special edition
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So for all those people who argued with me saying that an anonymous forum is the way to go
guess what- you were wrong and Like I predicted it's over. there is nothing happening here except for nike50 constant spamming whoever that person is-
A question is asked and 5 people respond woohoo. The Famil club advertises that they have 50,000 subscribers ??? (no offence to Rob, but I am doubting the 50,000) there are many people in the industry yet the leading magazine can get a handful of people posting info- this is strange to me- It does not make sense (like playing strip solitaire)
To the Micenet admin
Most forum software/scripts has a banned list, a simple copy an email and paste it in a file on the admin area of the forum to ban email address from posting their spam. (also good for rude words)
No offence but you guys really have no idea about the technology that you use.
Third time lucky- when you set up your next forum - try not making it anonymous and I predict that it will be more successful.
Forums are in essence social media- You do not have anonymous facebook profiles or anonymous twiiter accounts, forums are used to connect people, The way you utilize this technology for business purposes really is taking a step backwards having it as an anonymous forum. You can't connect if you do not know who you are chatting with.
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